Forex: Indicatori Metatrader 4 : Zup - Vamist Forex - Forum

Este primul meu post pe acest sit de aceea va rog sa fiti ingaduitori cu mine, totusi voi supune atentiei un subiect despre un indicator Metatrader 4 deosebit de complex. El senumeste Zup. Ultima versiune pe care eu o am este Zup 31. Posibil sa mai apara si alta versiune , nu stiu ramane de vazut ..ideea cu el este ca l-am luat de pe un sit rusesc  iar eu nu stiu limba rusa rezultatul este ca nu stiu ce explicatii dadeau cei de acolo despre el si nu stiu nici cum functioneaza decat oarecum intuitiv.
situl unde il gasiti este aici:

http://onix-trade.ne...opic=118&st=480

Acum , pentru ca problemele cu el se tin lant, mie mi-au blocat accesul pe situl respectiv, probabil ca am putut sa iau indicatorii fara sa ma inregistrez ( posibil din cauza ca am un alt Sistem de operare decat Win), apoi am incercat sa ma inregistrez sa le spun cate ceva la cei de acolo si nu stiu ce s-a intamplat dar nu mai pot sa intru.
Daca reusiti sa luati o noua versiune a indicatorului mai noua decat a mea va rog sa o postati aici.

Care este ideea cu indicatorul ? Autorul sau este "nen" din cate mi-am dat seama si este facut  dupa un indicator comercial care il folosesc niste baieti tot rusi ca sa faca previziuni, analize Gartley, Pasavento, Fibonacci, etc.

Indicatorul comercial si modul cum il folosesc ei in analizele acestea sunt prezentate aici:

www.fibo-forex.ru%2fpages.php%3fpage%3d592%26pair%3dGBPUSD

De asemenea am sa atasez si eu ultima versiune pe care o am eu a indicatorului Zup si doua imagini cu el.

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"Nestiinta nu-i o dovada...ignoranta nu-i un argument"-Spinoza

Aceasta postare a fost editata de maslow: 03 May 2008 - 02:03 AM

Interesant indicatorul si chiar complex. Am avut varianta 14 si 22 dar nu mai stiu de unde le-am luat. Am abandonat repede pentru ca la momentu respectiv chiar mi se parea complex. Poate reusesc sa gasesc pe cineva sa traduca cateceva. La tine pe grafic mai vad un indicator separat...este in teste sau il folosesti mai demult?..si daca ai putea sa il "share-uiesti"

keeping touch...

Multumesc pentru ZZ_Ensign. Primul indicator este destul de complex si incarca mult chartul, nu exista inca un tutorial ceva despre el si poate de asta multi il incearca inca dar trebuie sa le mai acordam timp.

M-am uitat pe forumul rusilor si intradevar se traduce destul de bine cu Altavista. Mai studiez ceva de pe la ei si mai vorbim....

Traducere "Altavista" de pe Siteul Rusilor


ZigZag universal with the patterns Pesavento.

Description.

With the design of indicator it was intended to use in one indicator ZigZag - and with different algorithms of construction.
For metatreydera not there were accessible tools of those constructing patterns Pesavento.
Was intended on basis of ZigZag to make possible construction of patterns Pesavento also of other superstructures, which point out possibility ZigZag of Ryy;a.

At the present moment the indicator are build it three zigZag with different algorithms. There is a possibility to build in a large quantity of other indicators, which show the maximums and the minimums.

Indicator is allowed:
1) to construct patterns Pesavento and to reveal different figures, for example, patterns Gartley.
2) to automatically derive fiby and to show the price value of fib.
3) to construct fibo brooms (Fibo Fan).
4) to construct the pitchforks of Andrews, line of reaction to Andrews's pitchforks even 50% median.
5) to construct temporary zones fibo (Fibo Time).
6) shows information on the current currency pair from five elder taymfreymov.
7) is derived signal with the appearance of the new ray ZigZag.
8) the indicator two versions of Igor Kim's indicator i- VTS are build it.
9) is a possibility of constructing of price channel (confirmation levels) and levels of the previous peaks ZigZag.
10) to construct ZigZag Fibonacci.

Parameters.


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ExtIndicator - selection of the version of the indicator, on basis of which
are constructed patterns Pesavento
0 - Zigzag from metatreydera,
1 - Zigzag Aleksa,
2 - indicator similar to that build it into Ensign.
3 - indicator similar to that build it into Ensign, but a little is differed the algorithm of work from 2 .

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minBars - filter barovyy (it is assigned a quantity of bars). Corresponds ExtDepth in ZigZag from MT4.

minSize - filter in a quantity of points (it is assigned a quantity of points)

ExtDeviation and ExtBackstep - parameters for ZigZag from MT4

minPercent - percent filter (it is assigned percentage, for example 0.5)
If percentages are used - you set the number, and minSize=0;
Is used only in Zigzag Aleksa.
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ExtHidden - 0 - all lines are hidden usual ZigZag.
1 - show all lines between fraktalami, which have the percentage of restoration > 0.14 and < 5.
2 - show only those lines, where the percentage of restoration is equal to the numbers Pesavento (even 0.447, 0.886, 2.24, 3.14, 3,618 for constructing the patterns Gartley)
3 - show the numbers, enumerated in point 2 and to the corresponding line
4 - shows the numbers not Pesavento and corresponding lines

ExtFiboZigZag - solves conclusion "ZiaZag Fibonacci"

ExtFractal - quantity of fraktalov (maximums, the minimums),
from which go the lines to another fraktalam

ExtFractalEnd - quantity of fraktalov, to which go the lines.
Further this fraktala of the connecting lines not will be.
If ExtFractalEnd=0 that last fraktal is equal
to the maximum number of fraktalov.
Minimum value ExtFractalEnd=1

ExtDelta - (admittance) deviation in the calculation. The value is assigned
potential razvorotnoy zone.
must be 0<.EkhtDelta
ExtDeltaType -
by 0 - are derived the percentages of restoration "as are"
1 - calculation of admittance (%- number Of pesavento)<.EkhtDelta
2 - ((%- number Pesavento)/chislo Of pesavento)<.EkhtDelta

chHL = true - if you want to look confirmation levels
Is used only in Zigzag Aleksa and in Zigzag Ensign.

PeakDet = true - if you want to look the levels of the previous maximums and minimums
Is used only in Zigzag Aleksa and in Zigzag Ensign.

ExtFiboType = true - fiby with the numbers Pesavento
false - standard fiby

ExtFiboDinamic - solves the conclusion of dnamicheskikh levels fibo.
Dynamic levels fibo are derived on the first ray ZigZag- A.

ExtFiboStatic - solves the conclusion of static levels fibo

ExtFiboStaticNum - number of ray ZigZag- A, from which they will be derived
the static levels of Fibonacci. y<.EkhtFiboStaticNum<9

ExtSizeTxt - size of type for the conclusion of the numbers

ExtLine - selection of the color of the junctions

ExtPesavento - selection of the color of the numbers Pesavento

ExtGartley886 - selection of the color of numbers 0.447, 0.886, 2.24, 3.14, 3,618

ExtNotFibo - selection of the color of all remaining numbers

ExtFiboS and ExtFiboD - selection of the color of static and dynamic fib.
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infoTF = solves the conclusion of information on 5 elder taymfreymam.
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chHL_.PeakDet_.or_.vts - true - on silence solves the conclusion of the lines of confirmation (price channel) and the levels of the previous maximums ZigZag.
false - is derived indicator i- VTS.

NumberOfBars - quantity of bars of miscounting (0- all) for i- VTS.

NumberOfVTS - this, 4 so I understand, the parameter of smoothing for i- VTS.
NumberOfVTS1 - parameter of smoothing for the second copy i- VTS.
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ExtPitchforkStatic > 0 (= 1) are derived the static pitchforks of Andrews from extremum ZigZag with number ExtPitchforkStaticNum
= 2 - are derived 50% median

e<.EkhtPitchyuforkStaticNum<=9

ExtPitchforkDinamic > 0 (= 1) are derived the dynamic pitchforks of Andrews from the last two extrema ZigZag
= 2 - are derived 50% median

ExtLinePitchforkS and ExtLinePitchforkD is assigned the color of the static and dynamic pitchforks

ExtRLine - solves the conclusion of the lines of reaction along Andrews's pitchforks
ExtRLineBase - hides the directrives of the reaction
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ExtFiboFanDinamic - solves the output of the dynamic fibo- brooms

ExtFiboFanStatic - solves the output of the static fibo- brooms

ExtFiboFanStaticNum - number of ray ZigZag- A, on which will be derived static fibo- brooms. y<.EkhtFiboStaticNum<=9

ExtFiboFanHidden - solves the conclusion of marking rays fibo of the brooms

ExtFiboFanD - is assigned the color of the dynamic fibo- brooms

ExtFiboFanS - is assigned the color of the static fibo- brooms
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ExtFiboTime1 - includes temporary zones fibo 1.

ExtFiboTime2 - includes temporary zones fibo 2.

ExtFiboTimeЗ - is assigned the color of the lines of temporary zone 1.

ExtFiboTime2C - is assigned the color of the lines of temporary zone 2.
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ExtBack - is assigned the conclusion of all objects in the form of the background

ExtSave - permits the retention of the set of static pitchforks and Fibo Time

ExtAlert - solves the conclusion of communication and sound signal with the appearance of the new ray ZigZag

ExtStyleZZ - = 0,1,2,3,4 - is assigned the style of line ZigZag
= 5 - Zigzag are derived by points in the extrema

In indicator ZUP for the work with the the standard ZigZag it is necessary to place ExtIndicator= 0.

From the description of the standard ZigZag left only one paragraph. It removed other two paragraphs, since they do not correspond to reality.

Depth this minimum quantity of bars, on which not there will be the second maximum (minimum) less (greater) pipsov, than previous, i.e., disperse ZigZag can always on Deviation, but it converges (or to move by pillar) more than on Deviation, ZigZag can only after Depth bars. Backstep this minimum quantity of bars between the maximums (minimums).

New description of the work of the standard indicator ZigZag: http://ta.mql4.com/r...s/trends/zigzag
It is not agreeable, that ZigZag does not be suitable for prognostication. This of the new description. If ZigZag helps to reveal the waves of Elliott and different price models, then this already helps with the prognostication of a price change.

In ZUP:
minBars corresponds Depth
ExtDeviation corresponds Deviation
ExtBackstep corresponds Backstep

Deficiencies in standard zigZag.
1) with each tick (price change) the complete conversion of indicator occurs. This strongly loads processor.
2) with the calculation of indicator the maximums and the minimums separately are located. Then they are united for the conclusion to the graph. If the minimum and maximum was found on one bar, then preference is given to maximum. Because of this ZigZag can show several maximums the contract without the minimum between them.
3) since indicator recounts on each tick, then the latter several minimums (maximums) can change in an unpredictable manner.

If appears the new version of the standard ZigZag worthy of that, so that it would be possible to work with it, new version will be included in ZUP as additional ZigZag. The version, which is included now, change not will be.

Parameter ExtStyleZZ assigns the style of lines ZigZag.

0 - solid line
1 - broken line
2 - dotted line
3 - dot-and-dash line
4 - dot-and-dash line with the dual points

5 - Zigzag are derived by points in the minimums and the maximums

With selection ExtIndicator= 1 ZUP will work with ZigZag Aleksa.

The original version of this ZigZag can be found on the spider in the branch of the author: http://forex.kbpauk....flat.php/Cat/0/... ge/0#.Posty00shch''

With creation ZUP ZigZag Of aleksa it served as starting point. Everything began from it.

Algorithm.
The average value of the first bar is calculated. Further on all subsequent bars conditional mean price of bar is calculated. Is determined the direction of trend on the following bar by the displacement conditional mean price of bar.
A change in the direction of trend occurs with the deviation conditional mean price of the set value in the points or in the percentages.

Parameters.
minSize - filter in a quantity of points (it is assigned a quantity of points)
minPercent - percent filter (it is assigned percentage, for example 0.5)
If percentages are used - you set the number, and minSize=0;

In ZigZag Aleksa are used the two additional parameters.

chHL = true - if you want to look confirmation levels
Is used only in Zigzag Aleksa and in Zigzag Ensign.

PeakDet = true - if you want to look the levels of the previous maximums and minimums
Is used only in Zigzag Aleksa and in Zigzag Ensign.

To change color and style of these lines is possible with the call of the window of the parameters on the supplementary sheet OF COLOR.

chHL assigns the so-called price channel. With the penetration with the price of the opposite wall of this channel ZigZag changes the direction.

chHL_.PeakDet_.or_.vts - true - on silence solves the conclusion of the lines of confirmation (price channel) and the levels of the previous maximums ZigZag. false - is derived indicator i- VTS.

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ExtIndicator= 2 permits work with ZigZag Ensign.

ZigZag Ensign - code name. This version ZigZag was made after observation of the work of the indicator, on basis of which in Ensin are constructed the patterns Pesavento. In Ensin there was also the small description of the principles of the work of this indicator. It is possible that the algorithm of indicator a little differs in Ensign.

Algorithm.
The minimum and the maximum of the first bar are compared with minimums and maximums of the following bars. If is located bar, on which simultaneously the minimum and maximum are more (less) those that on the first bar, then the direction of trend is determined. Is more - bull trend. Is less - bear trend.
Further I describe for the bull (ascending) trend. It will be vice versa for the bear.
If on the following bar maximum is higher than the maximum on the previous bar, on the following bar bull trend continues. - nothing we make with the equality of maximums. It is considered that the direction of trend did not change. If on the following bar maximum (hlast) lower than previous, appear versions.
1) they are passed minBars bars. In this case for each of these minBars bars the maximum must be less than the maximum of the last bar, after which went counting minBars of bars. If at least on one bar price exceeds the maximum of last bar, then trend will be considered bull to this bar inclusively. And further from the following bar begins counting minBars of bars.
Bars are analyzed, beginning with minBars+1 bar. If hlast - Low[.minBars+1]>.minSize trend changes direction to the bear. I.e., if minimum minBars+1 of bar differs from hlast to the value, greater minSize, trend changes direction.

2) if by any of minBars bars is shut below the last minimum ZigZag trend it will also change direction to the bear, without waiting until minBars+1 bar.

A change in the direction of trend occurs after closing of the bar, on which this occurred.

Utilized parameters.
minBars, minSize - names are undertaken the same as in program Ensign.

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In ZigZag Aleksa and ZigZag Ensign be absent deficiencies in standard zigZag. Processor does not load. The calculation only of last bar occurs. It is not several maximums in a row. The last minimums and maximums are predicted. Posledneiy maximum can only increase, the minimum - decrease.

From other side, in these ZigZag more rigid algorithm. Therefore for different taymfreymov it is necessary to individually select the parameters in order to correctly identify the minimums and maximums.
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It is added ZigZag ExtIndicator= 3. It permits work with ZigZag Ensign with the a little changed algorithm.
For this version it is not necessary to assign value of minSize. Value minSize will be ignored.
Value minSize variable is equal to the size of the bar (from the minimum to the maximum), on which concludes the last ray ZigZag.
In the figure it is evident that the size of price channel changes.[attachment=532]

In the indicator are used the numbers of Fibonacci, and also the modified numbers of Fibonacci Ryy; patterns Pesavento (or the numbers Pesavento). For constructing the patterns Gartley additionally are used the numbers, according to my ideas, introduced into rotation of Scott Carney: 0.447, 0.886, 2.24, 3.14, 3,618.
Number 0.886 was for the first time investigated Jim Kane. About this he wrote Scott Carney.
With the aid of parameter ExtFiboType it is possible to make a selection, with what numbers the indicator will work. Selection is produced between the standard numbers and, I conditionally call, the numbers Pesavento.
I lead below the complete list of the numbers for the different tools, which are used in the indicator.

Patterns Pesavento.

Standard numbers: 0.146-0.236-0.382-0.5-0.618-0.764-0.854-1.0-1.236-1.618
Numbers Pesavento: 0.382-0.447-0.5-0.618-0.707-0.786-0.841-0.886-1.0-1.128-1.272-1.414-1.5-1.618-2.0-2.24-2.414-2.618
-3.14-3.618-4.0

Fiby.

Standard numbers: 0-0.146-0.236-0.382-0.5-0.618-0.764-0.854-1.0-1.236-1.618-2.618-4.236-6.854
Numbers Pesavento: 0-0.382-0.5-0.618-0.707-0.786-0.841-0.886-1.0-1.128-1.272-1.414-1.618-2.0-2.414-2.618-4.0

Fibo- brooms.

Standard numbers: 0.236-0.382-0.5-0.618

Lines of reaction.

Standard numbers: 0.236-0.382-0.5-0.618-0.764-1.0-1.618-2.0-2.618-4.0
Numbers Pesavento: 0.382-0.5-0.618-0.707-0.786-0.841-1.0-1.128-1.272-1.414-1.618-2.0-2.414-2.618-4.0

Fibo Time. Temporary zones fibo.

Standard numbers: 0-1-1.236-1.382-1.5-1.618-1.764-2.0-2.618-3.0-2.618
Numbers Pesavento: 0-1-1.382-1.5-1.618-1.707-1.786-1.841-2.0-2.272-2.414-2.618-3.0-3.414-3.618-4.0

In this list the changes in the future are possible.

Patterns Pesavento.

For the first time patterns Pesavento it encountered in the Canadian program Ensign.
First impression of Ryy; something incomprehensible. Cobweb with the numbers.

Everything is simple in reality. Let us take any two apexes, connected by line. Among the line the number. It is necessary to construct no fib. Program itself finds the lowest minimum between these apexes. Calculates distance from the first apex to this minimum (A).
Calculates distance from the second apex to this minimum ©.
The number near the line shows how price at the second apex it changed relative to the price of the first apex. Number = OF V/A.

To read a little a little about the patterns Pesevento is possible here, on our forum. These are the amateurish transfer of the chosen places from the book Of larri Pesavento.

For the work with the patterns Pesavento are used the following parameters.

ExtHidden - 0 - all lines are hidden usual ZigZag.
1 - show all lines between fraktalami, which have the percentage of restoration > 0.14 and < 5.
2 - show only those lines, where the percentage of restoration is equal to the numbers Pesavento (even 0.447, 0.886, 2.24, 3.14, 3,618 for constructing the patterns Gartley)
3 - show the numbers, enumerated in point 2 and to the corresponding line
4 - shows the numbers not Pesavento and corresponding lines

ExtFiboZigZag - solves conclusion "ZiaZag Fibonacci"

ExtFractal - quantity of fraktalov (maximums, the minimums),
from which go the lines to another fraktalam

ExtFractalEnd - quantity of fraktalov, to which go the lines.
Further this fraktala of the connecting lines not will be.
If ExtFractalEnd=0 that last fraktal is equal
to the maximum number of fraktalov.
Minimum value ExtFractalEnd=1

ExtDelta - (admittance) deviation in the calculation. The value is assigned
potential razvorotnoy zone.
must be 0<.EkhtDelta
ExtDeltaType -
by 0 - are derived the percentages of restoration "as are"
1 - calculation of admittance (%- number Of pesavento)<.EkhtDelta
2 - ((%- number Pesavento)/chislo Of pesavento)<.EkhtDelta

It is known that with the approximation of price to any fibe, fiba begins "to work". I.e., with some means of wounds it begins to behave near fiby more less predicted. I.e., there is some range, in which fiba works. This range (admittance) can be assigned by parameter ExtDelta. The algorithm of the calculation of admittance is assigned by parameter ExtDeltaType. Larri Pesavento tells that this admittance is equal to 4% (0.04). On forum http://www.forex-tsd...ggestions-tradi... trading-9shch.yutml some use admittance 7% and even 9%.
When price enters into tolerance bands, the number becomes the number Pesavento. Is colored of the number Pesavento.

ExtSizeTxt - size of type for the conclusion of the numbers

ExtLine - selection of the color of the junctions

ExtPesavento - selection of the color of the numbers Pesavento

ExtGartley886 - selection of the color of numbers 0.447, 0.886, 2.24, 3.14, 3,618

ExtNotFibo - selection of the color of all remaining numbers
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ZigZag Fibonacci. For the first time it met with this tool in program Harmonic Analyzer, in the development by which assumed participation Scott M Carney. Many patterns Gartley became known because of Scott M Carney. With the amateurish transfer of the chosen places from book Scott M Carney also it is possible to be introduced on our forum.

An example of construction ZigZag Fibonacci with the aid of indicator ZUP can be seen in the given below figure.[attachment=533]

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Indicator makes it possible to automatically construct dynamic and static fiby. Dynamic fiby are constructed on the latter, which is changed, ray ZigZag. Static fiby are constructed on 2-9 rays.

Parameters for the work with fibami.

ExtFiboType = true - fiby with the numbers Pesavento
false - standard fiby

ExtFiboDinamic - solves the conclusion of dnamicheskikh levels fibo.
Dynamic levels fibo are derived on the first ray ZigZag- A.

ExtFiboStatic - solves the conclusion of static levels fibo

ExtFiboStaticNum - number of ray ZigZag- A, from which they will be derived
the static levels of Fibonacci. y<.EkhtFiboStaticNum<9

ExtFiboS and ExtFiboD - selection of the color of static and dynamic fib.

In this case is derived the value of fiby, for example 61.8, and the price.

Dynamic fiba will automatically change with a change in size and position of the first ray ZigZag.
Are given below figures with the dynamic and the static, built on the second ray, fibami.[attachment=534][attachment=535]

In order to look information on the current currency pair from five elder taymfreymov necessary to use parameter infoTF= true.
After this, to the left in the second upper line will appear the information from the parameters of bars (spark plugs) from five elder taymfreymov, divided by vertical lines.
Are derived name of taymfreyma, for example, MN.
Further:
< - it shows that the spark plug is bear
> - it shows that the spark plug is bull
= - it shows that the spark plug - doge. I.e., the current price is equal to the price of discovery for this spark plug.

The number, which shows the size of spark plug in the points, is derived after this sign.
And further the number, which shows at what level from the minimum of spark plug is located the current price.

Example in the figure.

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Two versions of the indicator i- VTS, developed by Igor Kim, are build it the indicator.

This indicator (i- VTS) uses the built-in metatreyder indicator Average True Range.

For the work with i- VTS the parameters are used:

chHL_.PeakDet_.or_.vts - true - on silence solves the conclusion of the lines of confirmation (price channel) and the levels of the previous maximums ZigZag. false - is derived indicator i- VTS.
NumberOfBars - quantity of bars of miscounting (0- all) for i- VTS.
NumberOfVTS - this, 4 so I understand, the parameter of smoothing for i- VTS.
NumberOfVTS1 - parameter of smoothing for the second copy i- VTS.

To change color and style of these lines is possible with the call of the window of the parameters on the supplementary sheet OF COLOR.

An example of use i- VTS gave Fantik. Here are the references:
1) http://onix-trade.ne...ndex.php?.s=&.s... indpost&.p='2"y"
2) http://onix-trade.ne...ndex.php?.s=&.s... indpost&.p='2"22
3) http://onix-trade.ne...ndex.php?.s=&.s... indpost&.p='2"28

On the picture an example of work i- VTS.
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Fibo brooms (Fibo Fan).

Parameters.

ExtFiboFanDinamic - solves the output of the dynamic fibo- brooms
ExtFiboFanStatic - solves the output of the static fibo- brooms
ExtFiboFanStaticNum - number of ray ZigZag- A, on which will be derived static fibo- brooms. y<.EkhtFiboStaticNum<=9
ExtFiboFanHidden - solves the conclusion of marking rays fibo of the brooms
ExtFiboFanD - is assigned the color of the dynamic fibo- brooms
ExtFiboFanS - is assigned the color of the static fibo- brooms

For the first time the concept Of dinimicheskikh and static was introduced for the designation Of fib in ZUP.
Further these names was adopted in indicator ZUP and for many other tools.
Static - means that this tool adapts for the historical evidences. I.e., for those data, which no longer will change.
Dynamic - oenachayet, that the tool adapts on the first, that is changed, ray ZigZag. And, correspondingly, tool just as the first ray ZigZag changes in the real time.

Examples of output fibo of brooms to figures.
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un link de unde poti downloada multe chestii interesante in lagatura mai mult sau mai putin cu acest subiect

Mi se pare interesant ce spune Chuck LeBeau despre indicatori.

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The answer, however, is not as simple as the question. For example: Do I think moving averages are good indicators? Yes, as trend identifiers and setups, I think they are wonderful. Do I think moving averages are awful? Yes, I have tested enough of them as entry triggers to state that they are indeed awful. I could go on and on, indicator by indicator. Most indicators are valuable when applied to certain limited tasks and also very poor at many other tasks.

We should keep in mind that indicators are not systems and they should not be evaluated in the same manner as a system might be evaluated. Indicators are nothing more than problem solving tools and there are many problems to be solved when designing a good system. Our favorite indicator may solve one of these problems perfectly but may have no value whatsoever when applied to the next problem. It is true that, in theory, you can take any indicator and make a system out of it. But the result, even with the best indicator, is usually a mediocre system. It seems to me that using this procedure assumes that you already know the answers without ever having defined the problems. Just for fun, the next time you are in the local drug store, go to the pharmacist and ask "What is your best prescription?" Tell me what kind of response you get.

Another aspect of ranking and comparing indicators is that indicators are difficult to test objectively unless you isolate their use to a particular function and then test them for their usefulness according to how well they perform that single function. For example you will remember that in our book we tested a lot of indicators as entry triggers and found that most of them were lousy. This doesn't mean they are lousy indicators. It simply means that they are lousy when used as entry triggers. Unfortunately most traders assume that the only function of an indicator is to use it as an entry trigger.

I think that if we begin to think of indicators as problem solving tools and not as systems they will begin to take on a new life and new meaning. There is no "best"or "worst" or "better than". There are trading problems that need to be solved and there are indicators that provide us a choice of solutions. The best indicator is the indicator that, at this moment, provides the best solution to the problem at hand. As we continue to put the pieces of our system together we will be faced with other problems and today's solution may not be the best solution for tomorrow's problem.

The next time you are building a system, don't start by asking: What indicator am I going to use? Instead begin by breaking down the trading process into a series of clearly identifiable problems. Then use your knowledge of various indicators to find the tool that does the best job of solving each problem. I'll bet the indicator you select is not going to be the super duper Guru namesake of the month.[i]

Eu sunt de acord 100% cu spusele lui Chuck LeBeau (şi mulţi alţii care au exprimat opinii similare de la Elder încoace). Din păcate, mulţi traderi, mai ales începători, cad în această beţie a indicatorilor şi trebuie să treacă mai multe luni sau chiar ani până se trezesc. Recunosc deschis că nici eu nu am fost imun la început, şi în primele luni eram convins undeva în adâncul meu că există un indicator magic care e câştigător.

Cel mai distractiv mi se pare când pe un forum cineva propune o metodă oarecare, testată pe o perioadă de luni sau chiar ani de zile, şi dovedită ca profitabilă - după care, la prima tranzacţie pierzătoare, apar 100 de "experţi" care aduc "îmbunătăţiri". E vorba, evident, de noi indicatori ataşaţi care ar putea filtra asemenea semnale "false". Până la urmă, în câteva săptămâni, din ideea profitabilă iniţială se alege praful, şi se ajunge la un sistem cu 15 indicatori din care nimeni nu mai pricepe nimic. Sau, poţi băga cei 15 într-unul singur, gen ZUP, cu un efect şi mai spectaculos.

Unii traderi nu pricep faptul că nu trebuie găsită neapărat o "explicaţie" pentru o tranzacţie pierzătoare, sau chiar mai multe... orice sistem are aşa ceva. Dar ei continuă să găsească "explicaţii" de genul "aha... mişcarea a stagnat pentru că preţul s-a izbit de EMA 200 (sau 100, 50, 13, 54 etc.)!... sau pivotul nu ştiu care, sau nivelul fibo x de pe daily (weekly, hourly)... sau nivelul camarilla, sau patternul gartley care indica acest lucru" etc. Dacă te apuci să adaugi toate liniile considerate de unul sau altul ca importante, vei avea câteva sute de linii pe un grafic, acoperind pip cu pip După care, treaba e simplă, orice s-ar întâmpla, poţi spune că s-a petrecut pentru că acolo era importanta linie x.

Urmăresc nişte topicuri pe Moneytec unde vreo 6 experţi în Elliot wave analizează perechile majore, mai ales eurusd. O frumuseţe de grafice pline de numere de la 1 la 5 şi litere de la A la C mai mici sau mai mari. Sunt indivizi care fac asta de ani de zile, chipurile cu succes, şi care mai dau şi lecţii cu 2-5000 de dolari pe lună. Ieftin ca braga. Însă, ce să vezi? Zi de zi cam jumătate din ei spun că undele lor arată că eurusd urmează să crească, în mod evident, merge către 1.35 şi cumpără orice dip, iar cealaltă jumătate, demonstrează cu aceeaşi tărie că eurusd urmează să se prăbuşească masiv, cel puţin la 1.16 (şi ca urmare vând orice rally). Acelaşi lucru îl văd şi pe alte threaduri unde se lucrează cu alte patternuri pe care, aparent spre nemulţumirea lui Maslow, le-am denumit "fluturi". Sigur că dacă un indicator ca acest ZUP trasează nşpe linii, de multe ori preţul va părea că respectă unele dintre ele. Însă şi mai des nu le respectă, sau pare că ţine cont de alte linii, ceea ce reduce substanţial valoarea practică a unui asemenea hăţiş de linii. Însă, aşa cum îi spuneam şi lui într-un mesaj privat, asta nu înseamnă că nu merită încercat, dacă te tentează ideea. Stabileşti nişte reguli clare şi faci un forward test. Dacă eşti profitabil cu aşa ceva, bravo ţie şi meşterului nen sau cum l-o chema. Însă fără un asemenea test, doar a admira nişte grafice colorate cu multe liniuţe şi punctuleţe mi se pare o pierdere de timp.

Prea multi indicatori pe chart nu folosesc la nimic.Am constatat-o in ultimele 6 luni pe pielea(si contul) meu ,acum invat doar sa folosesc nivelele de S si R,linii de trend,si Fibonacci levels.Simply the best!

maslow a spus:

cum se numeste indicatorul din imagine?

Aceias intrebare pusa de nicugh

maslow a spus:

l-am gasit, mersi