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If someone is looking for a thread that was here before and now is not, he can contact me. I will continue to hide delete the threads suspected to be scams or just "bot talk".

Thank you!


Please note that this thread is a "scam war". Read it carefully and think for yourself before deciding what is true and what is not. In order to offer the arguments of all sides involved, I will try to let all comments intact. However, I will not accept spams and bad language. Vamist.com is not responsible for any conclusion you may have after reading this thread

Stefan, la Jan 22 2008, 03:55 PM, a spus:

And I had just finished preparing a big reply to that particular piece of spam. Ah well, I'll post it here for the time being:

roberttonino, la Jan 16 2008, 10:45 AM, a spus:

And then francafoschi tells you all about ForexGen.

How odd. On January 19th, over at the ForexFactory, two other people had the same conversation, except that time it was francafoschi asking which broker and roberttonino telling all about ForexGen, since he'd been with them since 2004. I guess this just must be some sort of coincidence.

Here's the link:
http://www.forexfact...ead.php?t=66034

Actually, these two have had a few other conversations on the same topic on at least 1 other website. You can track them with a simple web search. Here's a quick google search for their names and ForexGen:
http://www.google.co...n...s=&safe=off

francafoschi has some other ForexGen conversations without the roberttonino account in some other places:
http://www.google.co...G=Google+Search

Note that you may have to use the cached version to view things since their conversations are often deleted for spamming (like their accounts were on ForexFactory).

I note they also take some time to complain about Felix. Felix has some premium signals services, and like all signals services, not every trade signal is profitable. Felix also has a website called Forex Peace Army, which is free, and independent of his signals services. The Forex Peace Army is dedicated to hunting down and exposing scams in the forex world, and I am proud to be a member. Currently, the FPA has one active scam investigation going, and it is for a company called ForexGen. You can read about it at:
http://www.forexpeac...our-trader.html

You can also see some interesting overlaps in francafoschi's writing style with that of ForexGen's #1 spamvertiser Alessandro003msc at Alan's Money Blog:
http://alansmoneyblo...hp?topic=1950.0

For those of you wondering what I mean by #1 spamvertiser, here's a search with a seriously large number of returns:
http://www.google.co...amp;btnG=Search

You will note that Alessandro also often seems to start out with questions about ForexGen that quickly turn into advertisements. He is an Introducing Broker for ForexGen, and has a writing style almost identical to francafoschi, except when he's copying and pasting text straight from ForexGen's website.

I hope the moderators here will check the iP addresses of some of the accounts in this thread to see how many overlaps there are. [NOTE: I guess they already did.]

Thank you Pharaoh for you reply and welcome on vamist.com. I hope you will have a pleasant staying here! The interesting part about those users is that they have different IP addresses... Spamming is becoming more elaborate each day .

Stefan, la Jan 22 2008, 04:11 PM, a spus:

Judging from the slightly different writing styles, it's possible that those 2 (and some of the others in the thread) were different individuals who were running a chat program to coordinate their efforts.

Of course, sophisticated spammers would keep better track of who is the long-term happy customer and who is the innocent newbie looking for a broker.

I'll try to drop in from time to time and will be happy to let you know about any other active FPA investigations. Feel free to drop over and check out our reviews and forums.

Pharaoh

@Pharaoh

I have read all your links last night. That FPA... hmm... Good Job, man! Keep going. If you know how, and if you have possibilities, then drag down the bastards!

And btw, welcome here.

Adrianooooooo, jackdavid22, smithanderson, don't start again with ForexGen if you don't want your accounts to be deleted.

Dear Traders, brokers, IBs, MMs & WLs
I know that I'm very late to say the following results:
You are suffering the internet daily but you are opening many things not related to the actual reality & truth why?
Let's say you are searching for (ForexBastards) in Google the following results will appear:
1- The website www.forexpeacearmy.com
2- http://www.talkgold....m/r104801-.html if you read this forum you will find that people don't like there judge because it was unfair 100%
3- http://www.youtube.c...h?v=XWmyYDJn5P0 It's a video in YouTube telling you the fake scams that they are doing with brokers
4- http://www.forexnews...r...D=1248&PN=1 ://http://www.forexnews.com/fxforum/fo...=1248&PN=1 this is the impression of many traders
5- http://www.pipwizard...rexbastards.htm this is history of the dirty business that they are building in forums & in there activities
6- searchportal.information.com/?epl=0...ry=Scam%20Felix this contains some of other activities rather than forex market
7- http://www.scam.com/...ead.php?t=10263 this forum show that this website owned by someone called Felix & how he run his scam activities with traders & brokers
8- http://www.forexbastards.info/ this seems under constructions. They are planning to another scam
9- http://www.moneytec....d-arrest-23688/ this tell you that the government making some investigation with those bastards
10- http://answers.yahoo...14031358AAzgRif some traders are sharing answers of questions in Yahoo answer
11- answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...28203505AAlJyT7 the same as no. 10
12- http://forexscammer.com/ the home page of the website show that they are boasted before
13- http://forum.alpari....thread1812.html
I collected this information from Google; it was from the 1st 3 pages only so what about the rest of other pages?
So don't believe anything that coming from FPA (Forex Peace Army) because I'm sure that it will be fake as usual
Did You know that I chatted with one of the greatest brokers in forex market & I talked with him in public & he requested to call me then I told him did you know Felix (The owner of forex peace army) he said yes I heard about the scams done by him many times with me & with many other brokers
I laughed too much
From the investigation we found the following users are working with Felix as outsourcing who provide him with the news of each broker:
Felix Homogratus, Rob Grespi, uzomaeze, john fx, Pharaoh, Alan, Allin, okiipizza, asiegbu, Josef Wilson, Mr Smoothy, sno, FootLoose, pakaymoney, Terrygoan, fxdave, & more because they signing up each time with different username
Making Spam & Scam
They are doing many kinds of dirty business & they own many websites that have the following categories:
1- Forex Signals
2- Forex Forums
3- Brokerage Firms
4- Brokers Reviews
5- Blogs

- Take Care & Don't be between your hands that will hurt you
- Before going to lawyer, you must ask for his results but don't ask him
- Before Judging take opinion of others to be more fair
- Try to make something right
- Try to help others from falling in trick

All I can say is that Pharaoh has taken position AGAINST some discussions that where clearly just spam. And btw, a search on google.com for ForexBastards gives another list of results, not the one you have provided... I will remove the links from your post and let the URLs only in text.

[edit]The list of results for "ForexBastards" on google.com: http://www.google.co...G=Google+Search

I forget to say that Stefan seems to be working for Felix
lol
it's a great circle
Take care traders from those

At least you are funny!

I should Say

'''At Least you don't know how to reply''''

Believe me you are discovered
Go on

who the F-.U-.C.-K is felix? )))

Dincolo de faptul ca tipul asta pare pornit rau (nu am zis ca e spammer, doar ca e pornit rau!), am pus in browser cateva dintre linkurile postate de el. Majoritatea sunt scrap, dar unele se merita frunzarite.

Cel de la numarul al doilea (cel cu talkgold) se merita citit cu adevarat. Contine cateva discutii foarte interesante despre cativa brokeri, in special mi-a atras atentia un avocat pe care il citeaza autorul postului #101 din threadul de la link, care (avocatul) vorbeste in "foarte cunostinta de cauza" despre IBFX. Va recomand cu caldura sa il cititi!!

In plus, treadul intreg conclude cu arestarea lui felix, autorul site-ului forexbastards, pe motivul ca statea ilegal in state. Linkurile spre ziare sunt autentice, am cercetat "presa vremii". Tipul ala, felix, precum am zis si cu alte ocazii (vezi discutille mele cu Fata Morgana de aici de pe forum, legate de FXCM) era intr-adevar un spammer, site-ul lui promova brokerii care il sponsorizau, iar pe ceilalti ii "punea la coltz". Pe vremea aia am zis ca "exista multi frustrati" si ca omul care castiga nu vine sa faca review, pe cand cel care pierde vine sa se planga, da vina pe altii, pe broker in special, si de aia brokerii cu multi clienti au reviewuri negative, prin faptul ca cu cat mai multi clienti ai, cu atat mai multi frustrati ai. 90% dintre traderi sunt loseri, si dintre ei, exista un anumit procent constant de frustrati care dau ratinguri negative pe forexbastards. Pe atunci puneam ratingul coborat al lui FXCM si IBFX pe seama acestei frustrari (FXCM are totusi de departe cel mai mare numar de clienti, de doua ori mai multi ca brokerul aflat pe al doilea loc in lista!), si am licitat mare pe vamist pe aceasta idee. Well, se pare ca nu numai, deoarece felix avea si el "meritul" lui in a "filtra" posturile. Punea doar reviewuri pozitive ale brokerilor care cotizau la el, si negative pt ceilalti brokeri. Well, in mare, dar asta e ideea. Si sunt sigur ca FXCM si IBFX nu aveau nici un motiv sa cotizele la el. Pe cand MB Trading, da! (sponsor principal). In acelasi thread de pe talkgold se dau niste linkuri spre niste filmuletze de pe youtube legate de forex. Se merita sa va uitati la cateva dintre ele, daca aveti conexiune buna la youtube (pe mine ma seaca tailandezii astia, nu pot aduce nimic pe teava rapida, am reusit sa vad totusi cateva filme, intrand pe gprs cu 128kbit si facand cache).

Pe de alta parte, nu inseamna ca tot ce era pe forexbastards e de dat la gunoi. Tipul s-a asociat de-a lungul vremii (asocieri temporare, pe diverse durate de timp) cu diverse eminentze ale forexului care vindeau semnale (unii zic bune!) prin intermediul paginilor lui. De asemenea, meritul lui (singurul de altfel) este ca atrage atentia asupra diferitelor tipuri de excroci care graviteaza in interiorul si in jurul forexului, iar pe unii dintre ei chiar ii si demasca. Ca pe langa asta a fraierit o multime de incepatori sa bage bani in semnalele lui, deh... asta e alta poveste.

Sugestia mea pt Stefan e sa lasi activ linkul la numarul 2 din lista aluia, restul sunt cam scrap.

@ForexAng

Mate, sorry for my Romanian post, thus I did not say anything against you, contrarily, I advised Stefan to let active one of your links, but my Romanian post was a deliberated action to exclude you from the discussion. I don't like people accusing without reason...

Urmand diferite linkuri la linkuri la linkuri (hey guys, povestea asta e chiar captivanta!!) am ajuns aici. Un review foarte obiectiv, care vede amandoua jumatati ale paharului, si aia plina si aia goala. Si daca il cautati pe tipul care scrie pe web, o sa vedeti ca omu stie ce spune! Dati un click pe "about me" in pagina respectiva ca sa va lamuriti.

Vorba lui, daca macane ca o raţă, atunci e raţă....

Well..

ForexAng, Tradelover suggested me to leave your second link intact and I did (this means that I work for Tradelover ?!?! ). And please note that I didn't said that Felix is not a scammer (I really don't know the "story" of Felix) and I don't know/care if Pharaoh is Felix... If Pharaoh will spam this forum, I'll take position against him also. And I must admit that maybe I was wrong to remove the links from your post... I saw now that you've specified that you've taken the links from the first 3 pages (not only from the first page)... I thought that those where the first 13 links and that is why I've said that the list is not correct. So, I can admit when I'm wrong and I will put the rest of the links back.

Tradelover, m-ai facut curios... Desi nu ma interesa subiectul, cred ca o sa urmaresc si eu povestea cand o sa am putin timp.


[later edit]@ForexAng - I can't find the link #6 in google to put it back

Thanks
Many Thanks + Respect

Really I'm traveling too much because the nature of my work beside Forex Trading
I'm working in shipping company

I wanna you to add the testimonials of the brokers about ForexPeaceArmy as a new Thread
& I will invite about 400 broker to join this thread
It will be fair for Felix & all brokers
Don't worry
I just want to be in more formal mode
Thanks + Regards

I plan to implement a broker review system on vamist.com where the reviews will be made by users and not by an administrator or a single person. In the meantime, you are free to open a new thread if you want to discuss about ForexPeaceArmy but I must warn you that will not tolerate spams or bad language.

ForexAng is just one of Alessandro's buddies (or one of his alternate identities) and has been spewing the same propaganda on a bunch of forex forums lately. Both usernames have been very active this morning, and both are copying each others posts into different forums. I'll let you judge if they are the same person or just close friends working together.

Sadly, he can only attack Felix (who runs some premium services and also founded the Forex Peace Army) and also hurl insults at me. He pretends that this completely absolves ForexGen of any responsibility for their actions.

I highly recommend you read Alessandro and ForexAng's writings at Alan's Money Blog:

http://alansmoneyblo...s-forex-broker/

Pretty much, their argument boils down to: We say ForexGen is good many times, so it must be true. We say ForexPeaceArmy is bad many times so it must be true.

They also both have claimed that complaints against ForexGen are spam, but that Alessandro's advertisements for ForexGen are ok. I think the moderators of this forum and many others have shown their disagreement by dumping threads and banning accounts that engaged in Alessandro's fake conversations about ForexGen.

As for the links above - most are just more Alessandro/ForexAng threads. Others like to an "I hate Felix" website run by a guy calling himself Pip Wizard.

Oddly enough, ForexGen allows their IBs to do this sort of thing and never sends out a real company employee to answer these questions:

1. What happened to Rashid's money?
2. What about all the many other clients who had trouble getting money out of their accounts?
3. Why do they have a customer service agreement that is a license to steal profits from their clients?
4. Why on earth do they allow someone like Alessandro and ForexAng to be such an embarrassment to their company?

Well, people, stop accusing each other. To make things clear, I will start saying that I am not felix, neither work for him

I don't care if ForexAng is Alexandro or if Pharaoh works or not for ForexPeaceArmy and Felix. I don't care if felix is the same guy as Rob Grespi or not. Even this guy, felix, I hope there are two of him... I mean two of felix: one is the guy trying to expose the dirt of the forex bastards. This Felix I like (remark the use of uppercase). The other felix is trying to sell his scrap tools. That felix I don't like. You must be stupid or desperate to believe in such tools!! (I dont mean you personally, but a trader, generally speaking). Remember CFTC warning: Never trust something that sounds too good to be true. See my previous post for a link.

What I care is facts.

Pharaoh was (as Stefan said) one who took side against something that was real spam (in fact I was the first , I did it before Pharaoh, too, but my post was deleted with the thread, maybe it could be ok to have that thread back, and locked, so the people can see the discussion about ForexGen, which, in my opinion, is a SCRAP broker). As I read other forums, Pharaoh seems to be a honest guy and not trying to sell anything. I hope that none of you will start again fighting about ForexGen. We don't want to see any more links about that subject. Vamist is not intended to be a google mirror. The links posted up to now by both sides are enough for everyone who is interested. Everybody can conduct a search by his own, and build his own opinion. This a HUGE market, with HUGE interests, HUGE money, and BIG sharks. Both of you can have (or not!) dirty interests here. You can see how deep the rabbit hole goes, just by reading this dispute about felix on the web around. People opening thousands of web pages, registering hundreds of new domains, just to spit to the other party from a different location, to give weight to the dispute. Tons of dollars spent in advertising and domain maintenance. BIG money! Long telenovella. C'mon guys! In real life, people kill for less. Let the people on this forum to decide for them self.

About arresting of felix for living in US without a visa, well, this is true, as I found in newspapers and CFTC site, that obviously are sites that can be controlled by none of you. So, that arresting could be irrelevant, or could even be in felix's advantage in this dispute. Maybe he stepped on the fins of some big fish, and big fish never forget or forgive. Some of the material on his sites are really dynamite-bad for some brokers or persons. Plenty of Mexican immigrants stay illegal in US and nobody arrest them. What is relevant: The felix-marketing guy IS a genius. A dark-side one, but a genius. If I would have a marketing company, I would employ him, for sure. On the other hand, that felix selling his news-killing-machine and other tools as "trading secrets" seems to me to be an idiot, after first read of his statements. I wonder how he found customers, but again, the guy is a marketing genius, and there are a lot of stupid people around...

If you are going to continue fighting about ForexGen or felix, most probably this thread will be deleted, too. That would be a pity for us all. You are only allowed to do it if you want to talk Romanian. :P. That could be useful for some of us here that can't speak English. But for English, please spare us, we have enough material on the web already, about this subject.

My advice to other traders (my personal opinion only):
- Do not put your money at ForexGen. They are just a scrap broker.
- Do not buy anything form Felix, he is promoting only his interests.
- Every bad review you read in Felix's sites (forexbastards or so) should be multiplied with 0.5 (Murphy )
- Every good review you read in Felix's sites should be multiplied with 0.25 (idem, most probably that is a sponsor, or a "new" personal site)
- Generally, don't pay any money to buy trading tools, they are not better than thousand of free tools available around. And most important: no trading tool is better then yourself!

Want to make money? Then learn how to trade!. There are no shortcuts.

Thanks Tradelover!

I definitely am not Felix. I think he's a good guy, but I'm definitely not him. Allow me to mention some differences:

Felix lives in Sunny California and I live in Sunny Florida.
Felix been trading forex a lot longer than I have. On the other hand, I traded stocks before he was born.
Felix has had some ... unfortunate legal issues with his girlfriend. I'm getting ready to celebrate my 20th wedding anniversary.
He's Felix. I'M SPARTACUS!!! (sorry, couldn't resist)


And a very special set of differences between me and Alessandro0003msc, ForexAng, Trendnow, and the many other names that keep popping up on the other side of this war:

Visit Forex Peace Army, lookup my profile, and read some of my posts there. You will see that I ask forex questions, I answer forex questions, and I have posted about a wide variety of forex topics since the beginning of October. Next use google and look up the various usernames of Alessandro's ForexGen spamming group. They show up from nowhere and have zero history in any forex forum doing anything other than promoting ForexGen. Surely if they've all been around the forex world as happy ForexGen customers for some time, at least one of them would have some history of speaking out on other topics in a forex forum somewhere.

Instead, they show up, have fake conversations, and disappear. Now that I'm exposing them, they show up with some new names (run a google search on Forex and ForexAng - see how long he's existed on the web), attack me with silly insults, claim it's all a conspiracy, and declare victory.

Regarding FPA's reviews: They are far from perfect, as are any such reviews on the web. Undoubtedly, some fake ones got past the review moderators. At least they are moderated so that one person can't submit 10 reviews in a day and quickly alter the results. Since I am so active on FPA, I've complained on the forums and have also sent messages to the review moderators about improving standards, since there are far too many "I made/lost money in my first week, so I think this is 5 Stars/Scam!" I advise people who do read FPAs reviews to not just pay attention to the final score, but to read the text of the reviews and to do their own followup research. My own broker is very poorly rated there (personally, I'd give them 2 stars).

Regarding Felix's premium services: They are kind of expensive for my budget, so I don't subscribe. On the FPA forums, I've told beginning traders on multiple occasions to NEVER pay for anything forex related until they've gone through all the free stuff on the web and had considerable time to demo trade. For those who asked directly about the premium services, I have mentioned that they do have a free trial period, but also mentioned that when testing ANY signal service or trading system that it should be done on a demo account or using small amounts of money. I've also honestly told them that I'm primarily a technical trader, so the premium services aren't something I intend to explore anytime in the near future.

For anyone wondering why a technical trade hangs out on a forum owned by a news trader, it's simple. Firstly, I use the daily trading signals (which are free - If you haven't already guessed, I'm a cheapskate!) as warnings for events that can ruin my beautiful chart patterns. Secondly, it was a smaller, newer forum where I could make a bigger difference instead of spending 2-3 years as a "newbie" on ForexFactory or one of the other big boards. Thirdly, I've always HATED spammers and scammers, and the FPA was created to deal with scam in the forex world. I have fought scammers and spammers on the internet since before web browsers were invented. Hopefully, there's at least one person here old enough to remember when "going on the internet" meant browsing the newsgroups.

Thus, I offer myself up for judgment to the collective wisdom of this forum. I do ask that you carefully consider the sign up date of anyone posting comments, since the ForexGen spam crew have already clearly demonstrated that they can create multiple accounts to try to influence events.